• Just to clarify. Once a pantheon becomes part of a religion, then any city or indeed civ where that religion becomes dominant gets the benefit of that pantheon (in theory at least!). Apart from the inevitable bugs there are deliberate exceptions to this, such as Kongo being unable to really use any pantheons that are heavily/solely reliant on Holy Sites.

    Also, Kongo's religious drawbacks are well known to us, but they might not be to newcomers to Civ 6.

    One change from Civ 5 AFAIK is that a pantheon of a foreign religion that becomes dominant in a city or civilization no longer erases the native pantheon. That may have been what you were thinking of.

    LogicEcho (talk) 09:50, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

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    • Please take your precious time and read the Pantheons page for Civ6, here I quoted

      "Unlike in Civilization V, a civilization's Pantheon will not get overwritten by foreign religions converting its cities. This means that a player will be able to use his or her Pantheon bonus even without managing to found a full religion, or after founding a religion that gets wiped out. However, despite staying with you through the whole game this time, Pantheons are still seen as just a stepping stone towards creating a religion, and thus it is encouraged not to just settle with a pantheon if you are hoping to gain power from faith."

      Pantheons can only be spread in Civ 5, not Civ 6, this is a well-known fact considering that the game has been out for 2.5 years. 

      - Regarding notes on pages in general, notes should be taken if there is a hidden interaction that is not clearly stated otherwise.

      E.g.: On Shrine and Temple pages, it is noted that Choral Music belief only boosts Culture based on intrinsic Faith output, not based on Faith generated by Simultaneum policy, please check it out.

      In this case, all it takes to understand Kongo does not benefit from this pantheon is to be able to read, which I do expect our audience to be able to. There are more than one pantheons rely solely on holy site construction, and since we want to keep similar pages consistent, we wouldn't want to add "Kongo can't benefit from this" on every single one of them as it is redundant.

      Best regards.

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    • Your reply just popped up now for some reason, so I think we were talking a bit at cross purposes.

      Are you sure you are not mixing up pantheons and founder beliefs there? By the way, one should never underestimate the power of newbies to get lost in the manual, so to speak!

      LogicEcho (talk) 10:07, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

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    • Bottom line, in Civ 6, Pantheon you founded sticks with you, Pantheons cannot be spread from one civ to another. This exhibits in: Once you found a new city, that new city starts with the Pantheon, regardless of the fact that it doesn't start with your religion (if you have one).

      Here is what you wrote on the GoW page:

      "Kongo cannot gain any benefit from God of War even if a religion with GoW as its pantheon spreads in her cities."

      This suggests falsehood that pantheons can be spread.

      Normal civs can only benefit from follower beliefs of foreign religions, Kongo benefits from all, which includes founder, follower, worship, and enhancer. Pantheons in civ 6 do not count as a belief of a religion as they are civ dependent, not religion dependent for that purpose.

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    • Furthermore, when you wrote this:

      "One change from Civ 5 AFAIK is that a pantheon of a foreign religion that becomes dominant in a city or civilization no longer erases the native pantheon. That may have been what you were thinking of."

      I wonder if you are suggesting that pantheons can be spread without eliminating the native pantheon, so basically it is possible for one city to have multiple pantheons coexisting? Because that is just false. If you open the city information panel, you will never ever see more than one pantheon, the one you founded, not the one of the civ that spreads the religion to you.

      Overall, I highly recommend you make amends to what you wrote on the GoW page, regarding pantheon being able to be spread. Secondly, if you feel the need to include the fact that Kongo cannot benefit from this, I reckon you should copy and paste a similar note to every pantheon that plays around holy sites, just to keep the consistency. If you cannot do that, I will gladly help.

      Thanks for your editing efforts.

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    • Now that you mention it, I do remember that when Civ 6 was first released, the benefits of both a pantheon and a religion's founding beliefs were locked to the Civilization that chose them. But I was under the impression they had changed that sometime ago, leaving only founder beliefs that are (normally) so locked? LogicEcho (talk) 08:21, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

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      This video was released on Nov 3, 2016, a few weeks after release of civ 6, and he already noticed (at 0:30) that Pantheon stayed with you even when you got converted, and every time you founded a city, that city immediately got the pantheon, so no, it was since the beginning of civ 6. Think of pantheon as a separate mechanic existing parallel with religion, since it is not bound as a belief to religions as in civ 5.

      Enhancer belief is also exclusive to the founder (except for Kongo, of course)

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    • Hold on a second, Enhancer beliefs are now locked as well? Back again when the game was first released if I'm not mistaken, Crusade and Defender of the Faith were locked to the founding civilization but I believe that was changed ages ago. You're saying they've not only switched that back again, but have now similarly chained all Enhancer beliefs? LogicEcho (talk) 10:06, March 7, 2019 (UTC)

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    • Enhancer beliefs are always locked, and that was never changed, and that was since civ 5. The point of religions is that even if it is spread accidentally, it won't ever give the founder a disadvantage. That rule will be violated if a religion with Defender of the Faith is spread and the founder wants to declare war, so no, enhancer beliefs are always locked.

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    • Ah, in Civilization V, only the Crusade and Defender of the faith Enhancer Beliefs were locked, so far as I am aware? LogicEcho (talk) 14:26, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

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    • By the way, added that note you suggested to those pantheons that are not compatible with Kongo. LogicEcho (talk) 15:50, March 10, 2019 (UTC)

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    • Thank you :)

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